Richard Jefferson: Traded to the Spurs.

[moses]

There's links all over the place. Looks like Oberto, Kurt Thomas, and Bowen coming back. Basically I see this as a salary dump, and as a vote of confidence in BOTH our young small forwards.

Also, the amount of size that came back in the trade kind of keeps us from having to make a desperation pick of a big guy in this draft, which means the Bucks can actually take the luxury of taking whoever they think is the Best Player Available.

I really like this. It feels weird to dump talent like this - unquestionably from a raw talent perspective we are losing out - but that's how the NBA works these days. And if Bowen or Thomas actually suit up, their defense will be quite welcome. They are both over the hill but I think they fit the bill for 'old useful veterans' pretty much to a T - and they expire at the end of the year.

I don't know a damn thing about Oberto though.

[Rick in Cali]

Rosewell said:

The Bucks need to make CV go away no matter they have $$$ or not! CV simply is another Tim Thomas...

I agree completely. We have the flexibility to do a sign+trade and that is what needs to happen. I could give or take Sessions and if it goes to $5m then I'd sign+trade him too. He's not worth that, imho.

[Gobbler]

Obviously the players don't improve the bucks over Jefferson on the court. Mbah a Moute playing SF does make a lot of sense, especially if he improves from what he did early in the year. Joe Alexander... we'll see how much he improves. Still, I was kind of thinking that if somehow the roster came back with the young players (Sessions, Mbah, Alexander) improving and Bogut and Redd healthy, that the Bucks had a good starting 5. A playoffs starting 5, but not a title contender starting 5. The trades, as I see them, give the Bucks front court depth. Kurt Thomas is ancient, but he does/did exactly what the Bucks could have used for years up front. Allen is a project.

As for resignign Ramon & C.V., I like Sessions more as a long term part of the roster, but I think guys with C.V.'s skills are harder to find. I think Sessions could play a solid role on a very good team, and is likely to improve his weaknesses, so in my heart I'd rather the Bucks keep him. I mean heck, Rafer Alson started an NBA finals. C.V. I don't think will be much more than he is and may revert once he has a contract. On the other hand, I know that it isn't that rare to find good PG's outside of the early lottery, whereas any big man with C.V.'s skills will go higher or be sought after on the Free Agent market.

[Rosewell]

I don't think we will make a deal tomorrow to move up or down, so the chance is we probably will pick a PG such as Flynn or Holiday as Hill is unlikely to drop to #10 and Blair is obviously too undersized. And by doing so, we will have a plan B (with Amir Johnson) in case CV and Session will both be gone

[Debris]

By-Tor said:

You have to love Bucks fans. You could tell them they just traded Kareem Abdul Jabbar for Dan Gadzuric and the will somehow find a good reason for the trade to make it seem like a good deal for the Bucks.

I wonder if when the Bucks call other teams regarding trades if the other GM gets all giddy and excited as if he just won the lottery. I picture the other GM muting his phone during fits of laughter as he talks the Bucks into handing over a contributor. What did the Bucks get in return for Jefferson's 20 ppg, a mere 5? Thats if all 3 guys actually play.

Dear lhord, not that Richard Jefferson was that great of a player. I'm suprised at this point the Bucks actually have any assets left that another team would actually be interested in.

But the part that kills me is this was probably done for this..........."now they can resign CHARLIE VILLENUEVA and RAMON SESSIONS"...which is probably the part that makes the other GM laugh most of all.

I mean, Ramon Sessions couldn't beat out Luke Ridnour. Thats right people, say that to yourselves again. Ramon Sessions couldn't beat Luke Ridnour for the starting job.

And I'm still trying to figure out if the Bucks ever got over the 48 points CV dropped on them when he was with Toronto or whatever is causing this ridiculous love for an average player at best.

Same ol Bucks.

Pretty sure Bucks don't sign CV.

This also looks like a move to clear the decks and start over. The best part of the trade (and what most people are happy about) is that it gets the Bucks out of the terrible financial position they were in. Clearly we got the worst of the talent.

I see a Redd trade coming.

[Your Champion]

I see a Redd trade coming.

That would be great, but it's never gonna happen. The only thing teams want less than a gutless, heartless, soft-@ss chucker who doesn't play a lick of defense is a gutless, heartless, soft-@ss chucker who doesn't play a lick of defense with a shredded knee.

Bowen is your starting SF this season next to DeJuan Blair at PF. It's your future Bucks fans - live it!

[Rosewell]

Your Champion said:

I see a Redd trade coming.

That would be great, but it's never gonna happen. The only thing teams want less than a gutless, heartless, soft-@ss chucker who doesn't play a lick of defense is a gutless, heartless, soft-@ss chucker who doesn't play a lick of defense with a shredded knee.

Bowen is your starting SF this season next to DeJuan Blair at PF. It's your future Bucks fans - live it!

I think trading Redd is not impossible, basically we just need to do something like what Nets did last year sending Jefferson to us for a half bad contract in Simmons and half bad young talent in Yi. We can do the same - send Redd and #10 pick to the Wolves for #5 pick and some expiring contracts (Collions, 1yr left and Cardinal, 2 yrs left), if I were the GM, I would definitely make this trade in a minute.

[JTF71961]

By-Tor said:

You have to love Bucks fans. You could tell them they just traded Kareem Abdul Jabbar for Dan Gadzuric and the will somehow find a good reason for the trade to make it seem like a good deal for the Bucks.

I wonder if when the Bucks call other teams regarding trades if the other GM gets all giddy and excited as if he just won the lottery. I picture the other GM muting his phone during fits of laughter as he talks the Bucks into handing over a contributor. What did the Bucks get in return for Jefferson's 20 ppg, a mere 5? Thats if all 3 guys actually play.

Dear lhord, not that Richard Jefferson was that great of a player. I'm suprised at this point the Bucks actually have any assets left that another team would actually be interested in.

But the part that kills me is this was probably done for this..........."now they can resign CHARLIE VILLENUEVA and RAMON SESSIONS"...which is probably the part that makes the other GM laugh most of all.

I mean, Ramon Sessions couldn't beat out Luke Ridnour. Thats right people, say that to yourselves again. Ramon Sessions couldn't beat Luke Ridnour for the starting job.

And I'm still trying to figure out if the Bucks ever got over the 48 points CV dropped on them when he was with Toronto or whatever is causing this ridiculous love for an average player at best.

Same ol Bucks.

Says the person who was harping all season that the Bucks should trade RJ to make room.

[By-Tor]

Wow I'd like to see where I said they should trade RJ to make room.

I guess I simply don't like these moves because I was here when the move was made to get RJ and I was here when Bobby Simmons was signed and Yi was drafted. The only way I'm happy about moves to clean up old junk and bad contracts is if I wasn't around when they were acquired in the first place. Its as if they've never done this before. Tim Thomas for Keith Van Horn, anyone? Mo Williams for Luke Ridnour? I mean where has 'getting rid of bad' ever gotten this team before? What do we have to show for the #6 pick from 2 years ago at the present time?

Quite frankly I won't actually be happy until this team is making moves that takes the team from lottery fodder to title contender. It can be done, look at Cleveland or Boston or Denver or the Magic. To say I'm happy about present moves to right past bad moves would be giving the Bucks some kind of free pass after screwing it up in the first place. I'm not happy with this kind of stuff at all, actually.

[Debris]

By-Tor said:

Wow I'd like to see where I said they should trade RJ to make room.

I guess I simply don't like these moves because I was here when the move was made to get RJ and I was here when Bobby Simmons was signed and Yi was drafted. The only way I'm happy about moves to clean up old junk and bad contracts is if I wasn't around when they were acquired in the first place. Its as if they've never done this before. Tim Thomas for Keith Van Horn, anyone? Mo Williams for Luke Ridnour? I mean where has 'getting rid of bad' ever gotten this team before? What do we have to show for the #6 pick from 2 years ago at the present time?

Quite frankly I won't actually be happy until this team is making moves that takes the team from lottery fodder to title contender. It can be done, look at Cleveland or Boston or Denver or the Magic. To say I'm happy about present moves to right past bad moves would be giving the Bucks some kind of free pass after screwing it up in the first place. I'm not happy with this kind of stuff at all, actually.

I think you are being a bit unkind bundling current management in with previous. The previous management was dumped precisely because they did such a suck job. You have to get back to level before you can move ahead. Maybe not happiness from this trade but perhaps climbed out of the pit of despair.

I am also getting this nagging sick feeling that maybe Jefferson was traded because Bucks know Redd's knee is a career-ender and that there was no way they were contending this year. Really hope I am paranoid.

[By-Tor]

I don't think I'm being unkind to new management, I'm just saying we've seen all this before - this idea that these moves are somehow going to pave the way for great moves. I'm saying basically I'm not really paying attention to these moves as if they are somehow significant. Show me a move where you go out and get Vince Carter or Rashard Lewis or Hedo Turkoglu to go with our Dwight Howard. Show me a move where you go out and get Pau Gasol or Kevin Garnett for a bag of balls. Seems like that kind of stuff can be done so I'll get excited when that actually happens. I'm not pointing a particular finger at John Hammond, but what exactly is there to be excited about? Show me John Hammond's proven track record of success as a GM. Really, did we have to make all these chess moves just to start out the 2009 without Yi Simmons or Jefferson with nothing to show for it? Based on past results, when the time comes to make a big splash with all that extra cash, I'm not confident the Bucks are going to do a damn thing or make the right moves anyway. I mean, its the Bucks for crying out loud.

[JTF71961]

Debris said:

By-Tor said:

Wow I'd like to see where I said they should trade RJ to make room.

I guess I simply don't like these moves because I was here when the move was made to get RJ and I was here when Bobby Simmons was signed and Yi was drafted. The only way I'm happy about moves to clean up old junk and bad contracts is if I wasn't around when they were acquired in the first place. Its as if they've never done this before. Tim Thomas for Keith Van Horn, anyone? Mo Williams for Luke Ridnour? I mean where has 'getting rid of bad' ever gotten this team before? What do we have to show for the #6 pick from 2 years ago at the present time?

Quite frankly I won't actually be happy until this team is making moves that takes the team from lottery fodder to title contender. It can be done, look at Cleveland or Boston or Denver or the Magic. To say I'm happy about present moves to right past bad moves would be giving the Bucks some kind of free pass after screwing it up in the first place. I'm not happy with this kind of stuff at all, actually.

I think you are being a bit unkind bundling current management in with previous. The previous management was dumped precisely because they did such a suck job. You have to get back to level before you can move ahead. Maybe not happiness from this trade but perhaps climbed out of the pit of despair.

I am also getting this nagging sick feeling that maybe Jefferson was traded because Bucks know Redd's knee is a career-ender and that there was no way they were contending this year. Really hope I am paranoid.

YOU have the inside information know that his injury is career ending.

[Debris]

JTF71961 said:

Debris said:

By-Tor said:

Wow I'd like to see where I said they should trade RJ to make room.

I guess I simply don't like these moves because I was here when the move was made to get RJ and I was here when Bobby Simmons was signed and Yi was drafted. The only way I'm happy about moves to clean up old junk and bad contracts is if I wasn't around when they were acquired in the first place. Its as if they've never done this before. Tim Thomas for Keith Van Horn, anyone? Mo Williams for Luke Ridnour? I mean where has 'getting rid of bad' ever gotten this team before? What do we have to show for the #6 pick from 2 years ago at the present time?

Quite frankly I won't actually be happy until this team is making moves that takes the team from lottery fodder to title contender. It can be done, look at Cleveland or Boston or Denver or the Magic. To say I'm happy about present moves to right past bad moves would be giving the Bucks some kind of free pass after screwing it up in the first place. I'm not happy with this kind of stuff at all, actually.

I think you are being a bit unkind bundling current management in with previous. The previous management was dumped precisely because they did such a suck job. You have to get back to level before you can move ahead. Maybe not happiness from this trade but perhaps climbed out of the pit of despair.

I am also getting this nagging sick feeling that maybe Jefferson was traded because Bucks know Redd's knee is a career-ender and that there was no way they were contending this year. Really hope I am paranoid.

YOU have the inside information know that his injury is career ending.

No, I have no information not released to the public. This is just the nagging voice at the back of my head that always thinks the worst. Really hope I am wrong but it was the first thing that popped into my head when I saw the Jefferson trade.